Saving Email Marketing: Surviving Spam
A conversation with WhatCounts.com
CEO David Geller.
By Dana Greenlee, co-Host WebTalkGuys Radio
Thinking about sending out an email newsletter or using email to let
people know about your service or product? My advice is you better not
even think about doing it without a permission-based double opt-in plan.
Listen to the audio discussion with
David Geller, CEO of
WhatCounts.com
28 min. at 20K Stream
Real WinMedia Mobile WinMedia (2.5 MB download)
mp3 (full show; 13 MB download)
Spam has really given email marketing a bad name. David Geller, President
& CEO of Seattle-based
WhatCounts.com, believes that sending newsletters
and requested information via email should be easy and, above all else,
upon request.
Geller founded WhatCounts.com in 2000 to offer his publishing tools
capable of delivering highly personalized permission e-mails. WhatCounts
features include real-time analytics, content templates, format sniffing,
dynamic scaling, import and setup wizards. A twenty year veteran of the
software industry, David has been concentrating on e-mail products and
technology since 1993, including Director of Engineering for Paul Allen’s
famed Internet company Starwave where he managed the development for
ESPN.com and ABCNEWS.com.
David took some time out to explain the fine art of being a good email
citizen and how email marketing can be used effectively.
Q: Email marketing is getting a black eye because of its association
with spam. Do you think email marketing can be saved?
Geller: Boy, you’re right about it getting a black eye. I don’t think
there’s any topic out there getting more press than spam. Certainly there
is a lot of legislative action. It’s at the top everyone’s mind because it
really touches virtually everyone. But email marketing can be saved. There
is a silver lining.
Q: What are you doing to counteract that movement? What makes
WhatCounts.com different in that pursuit?
Geller: Double opt-in and confirmed opt-in are features we have had
since the very beginning. Contractually, all of our clients are
guaranteeing that their audience is permission based. They have obtained
the names of their subscribers organically through signup forms they own
or sometimes through paper signup forms at events. We don’t go after
people looking to rent lists. We are all about data-driven and event
publishing. For instance, if you’ve ever ordered a product from Amazon,
you’re probably very pleased to get an e-mail saying your order has
shipped. Those are the kind of services we provide smaller businesses.
Q: Run down some ways that businesses can use e-mail.
Geller: Commerce is an important one, letting the customer know you
received thier order, it shipped and how to track the package. This is
something people want and is highly permissioned.
Q: Many think of e-mail as a spam type of communication or for
newsletters. But it sounds like it is moving off in another direction. Do
you see companies starting to use e-mail in a different way more in the
future?
Geller: Newsletters are very traditional ways of sending out broadcast
email. For instance, the Seattle Times will send out breaking news e-mail.
But exciting things are happening with data-driven e-mail. We’re all
becoming more connected. We want to receive information. For instance, if
you’re a new parent and just purchased a baby product, wouldn’t it be nice
to get an alert from the government or the manufacturer if there’s a
recall. Good use of e-mail.
Q: What advice would you offer a business thinking about an e-mail
marketing campaign? Would they get a better ROI (return on investment)
using e-mail versus other forms of marketing?
Geller: The very reason e-mail is so effective is also the reason that
spam has become such a problem. To the person sending the e-mail, it can
be so inexpensive that people throw out what’s right and what’s wrong and
just pursue outrageous campaigns. For businesses who have customers—or
maybe organizations such as a community, church or school – they just want
to communicate with those people.
It’s hard to beat e-mail for cost reasons. It is also hard to beat for
ease-of-use. Whereas traditional newsletters require you to author your
content, typeset it, publish it and deal with postage, which is a
deterrent for a lot of people, using e-mail to communicate to your
customers or community is very cost-effective.
More information about WhatCounts is at
WhatCounts.com.
Dana Greenlee is producer and co-host of the WebTalkGuys Radio
Show. WebTalkGuys, a Seattle-based talk show featuring technology news and
interviews. It is broadcast on WebTalkGuys
Radio, Sonic Box, via Pocket
PC at Mazingo Networks
and the telephone via the Mobile Broadcast
Network. It's on the radio in Seattle at KLAY 1180 AM
and KVTI 90.9 FM. Past shows and
interviews are also webcast via the Internet at http://www.webtalkguys.com.
Greenlee is also a member of the The International
Academy of Digital Arts & Sciences.
PC World magazine names WebTalkGuys "Best of Today's Web Hidden Gems" in their August 2002 issue.
|
|
|

This Week's Program
If you cant Beat'em, Buy'em
YouTube and Google
Guest co-host:
TDavid, Blogger at
MakeYouGoHmm.com,
podcaster of HmmCast
Show Topics:
- If you cant Beatem, Buyem: YouTube/Google
- YouTube is claiming Google Independence
- Anti-Online Gambling Bill to Battle Terrorism
- Google testing video ad placement
- Dream of Getting 30-inch Computer Monitor
WebTalk
is hosted by Rob and Dana Greenlee. The
WebTalk can be
heard on talk radio station KVTI 90.9
FM every Tues at 10pm (PST) in Seattle/Tacoma market.
WebTalk radio program is also available through the
TechPodcasts.com
Network,
iTunes,
Yahoo Podcast,
PodcastAlley.com,
DownloadRadio.org,
iPodder.org
Podcast
Directory, Mobile Broadcast Network,
WindowsMedia.com
News
&
Talk,
WindowsMedia.com
Radio Tuner, Windows Radio Tuner
"Featured Station",
WindowsMedia
Mobile Pocket PC
Portal,
RealGuide Radio Tuner,
WindowsMedia.com
International Portals in
UK,
Canada,
Australia
and
RealOne Mobile Phone Media Portal,
RealOne
Pocket PC Portal, PocketPCMedia.nl
Mobile Media Portal,
Absoluut FM
in Netherlands - Live
Stream on Weds & Sat. WebTalk radio program can also be heard on
World Talk Radio.
Formerly heard on
CNET Radio
and via the XM
Satellite Network until CNET ceased talk radio
operations. Dana and Rob are judges for the
Webby Awards radio category
with voting
membership in the
International Academy
of Digital
Arts & Sciences. PCWorld in 2002 named WebTalkGuys as
Best
of Today's Web "Hidden Gems".
New Past
Show Download Archive
Old On-Demand Past
Shows
|
|
|
|